I completely lost track of Cyril. For a long time we used to discuss photography and what we shot on a very regular basis. We had quite an exciting photography history where we discussed stuff like documentary photography. Not the objective stuff (do musicians get asked to write objective music?!) but the way in which you try to convey a message or personal story through photographs. Funny that so many years after we used to be in touch, Cyril published a great book that for me ticks all the boxes. It revisited something that did really happen, conveyed it to the viewer in a way that doesn’t ignore the emotional / subjective feel of the journey, and it’s made of great photographs. Recurring themes: jungles, darkness, spider webs. Plenty of abstract patterns and expressionism. A document of dreams and nightmares.
I found out that discussions with Cyril since 2008 (presented here in the original chat format) follow up my relationship with photography. From the first guerrilla shows, to having camera crews, opening Third Floor Gallery, running shows and all the way to quitting photography.
10:10 PM Cyril: cool
10:11 PM did you have to pay anything to book the camp site?!
10:15 PM trying to put together a selection of black’n'white street photos, had to find everything and scan again and eveything after that…i realise the hard work that it is to edit your work down to something great…but i can’t go there without anything to show!! Anyway, you are probably already down the pub, i’m off cooking some food, speak to you late !
10:30 PM me: I was at the chinese for four minutes and I saw both goals…
10:31 PM Cyril: man turkey there are unbelievable!
10:39 PM Cyril: are you briçnging a project or just various stuff aside from you serie that will be projected there
me: just bringing more of the same
sticking it on a wall
maybe 60 5×7” prints
10:40 PM Cyril: fuck:)!
that’s a lot!
I’m editing it
Cyril: your serie of Cardif nights right?!
me: I just think that it doesn’t work like a sequence
but like a mosaic
10:53 PM Cyril: i miss england, going a lot to London since i left there but still….and it’s a shame i wasn’t into photography at the time as it was some made years!!
me: my area is quite much more local, though
yeah, the uk is great to shoot
10:54 PM huge variety in a small place
and people are mad
10:55 PM did lots of “rave party”, techno stuff and man, such a shame i didn’t document this period of my life
me: shame indeed
I’ve been to a few raves
I just don’t have the time now to take two three days off
10:56 PM Cyril: yeah well that was when i was 20, now i just turned 31 all this is finish for me….but tomorrow is different, it is Music Day here :p!!
3:03 PM me: your pics are not on flickr anymore!
3:04 PM Cyril: i know lol
made them private….felt like taking most stuff out of the web for now, need to step back and concentrate on shooting…
back from shooting my father, actually…
9:00 AM me: I have my viva today!
doctoral thesis defense!
in two hours and half!
9:01 AM Cyril: what the fuck is that lol
I go to this debate that determines if I’ll be a doctor or not
what kind of doctor?
9:02 AM me: I guess that doctor in philosophy
7:55 PM me: first is good
but I am unsure of the back of the guy at the right
Cyril: untitle 1?
me: untitled 7
7:56 PM I would change the back of somebody for the door
Cyril: Mat prefered that one too…yeah could find something different for the man back
sounds good then
7:57 PM Cyril: but really…i’ve been hating my shot recently…depressing…life is boring and so are my photos..
7:58 PM me: gotta go
ups and downs
just shoot more
12:06 PM me: going to ask david hurn for mindfist gallery
a friend has his address, so I’ll send him a letter
12:08 PM me:
it’s his kind of place
Cyril: scanning back everything from my book project “Aaron Jacob”, have polaroids all over the place, some i can’t find, negatives everywhere, going throught everything and scanning them properly…fuck that’s a lot of works….
9:21 PM me: trying to get an arts studio / exhib space in cardiff
with local visual arts people
9:24 PM Cyril: nice nice nice
me: we expect to pay £50-60 / month each
Cyril: not bad
9:25 PM me: yeah
Cyril: good idea
9:26 PM just checking with you, make sure i get the boxe around the beginning of july
9:27 PM i will go there and put the stuff up around the 6th or 7th before going to Arles
(i’ll see if it can stay up there for 3 different parties )
Cyril: cool thanks Joni:)
3:53 PM i need a good stock of films for Arles….thinking of shooting color for d’Agata workshop, fuji 1600 iso, but not 100% sure yet…
me: I don’t know if I can make it…
4:53 PM so what Pizzafellas is doing in Cardif?!
he’s going to arles from here
then he’s filming you!
still don’t know where we will show the photos in arles
4:55 PM me: blue tack!
Cyril: maybe the chemist shop from last year
Cyril: yeah but then we are stuck
me: ask, ask
Cyril: we’ll have to stay near by the prints as people expect to have their prints traveling around
4:56 PM or put them INSIDE the window
10:25 AM Cyril: so what do you think of Rubens edit?!
10:27 AM me: I want more of the cityscapes
10:28 AM Cyril: i know same here
so is he in?!
10:32 AM me: we might have to re-edit, though
work closely with him on the new one
11:15 PM me: and what is ph up to?
I’ve completely lost track of him
he seems to write in facebook a lot
Cyril: yeah i know
11:16 PM no more flickr account
i don’t know…i don’t even know if he shoot those days…
11:18 PM Haven’t seen much of Rubens stuff recently
9:48 PM me: I got an email that a kid stole my work to show in class
9:49 PM Cyril: lol
10:46 PM me: sent an email to roger ballen if he wants to show at our gallery
10:47 PM Cyril: héhéhé nice!!!
me: not bad
hopefully he has a sense of humour
met peter dench today and he was saying to try to get martin parr to show or auction a print
what about Bourcart?!
10:48 PM me: I want to get bourcart but maciej doesn’t think he’s famous enough!
I still want him in!
me: so much nice stuff
Cyril: yeah man!!
me: send an email to maciej
Cyril: i mean…
what this about not being famous enough?!
i don’t get it
10:49 PM me: I’m not up for that either
I liked his wedding stuff
I probably like most of his stuff
he’s just good
no matter if it’s serious or fun or kinky
10:50 PM Cyril: yep
10:51 PM his forbidden city stuff
he deserves it much more than Ballen in my opinion
10:50 AM me: I’m standing off hcsp!
10:53 AM Cyril: really?!
not an admin anymore?!
10:54 AM me: too much going on
more exciting than hcsp
but I need to find somebody to replace me
11:42 AM me: was good last night
11:43 AM about 200 people
Cyril: oh yeah fuck it was last night
me: around 100 at the same time
around 400 beers were drank, and bottles and bottles of wine
and bottle of vodka
12:56 PM Cyril: preparing next exhib?! Who’s next, salomon?!
12:58 PM me: solomons
12:59 PM hopefully then jocelyn bain hogg
Cyril: never heard
Cyril: yes i’m on it already
12:17 AM me: got a deal with newport uni on printing
they’re going to print shows for us
Cyril: found a guy named Chad states on Alec soth blog, he just won second prize for dummy book, his project is named “Cruising” and is on gay dogging spots (he works on different places), at first i didn’t want to watch it but then was curious, was scared it would look very similar, the places feels the same but different way of working so it is ok http://chadstates.com/
me: lambda prints
Cyril: héhéhé nice
12:18 AM cheaper?
Cyril: fuck that’s perfect, lambda print are very nice
12:21 AM me: yeah
heh, that guy has good pictures of trees
1:26 PM me: dropped an email to mark cohen about exhibiting him and he replied
Cyril: héhéhé nice:p!!!!
me: you like mark cohen? @D
1:27 PM no he sucks !!!
me: it’s one of the most underrated guys out there
me: you should hear his name quite a lot more often
keep me posted about this
you could pop by for the opening if he’s coming
1:28 PM if we have an exhib
Cyril: about to go visit my dad, bought 2 disposable cameras to give to nurse for them to shoot my dad
i can’t i’m working
1:29 PM me: well, it would be closer to next summer or something
5:07 PM me: hey
5:08 PM just got home from work, but have to do phonecalls and emails about pr and exhibitions straight away… send requested images to press and such
5:09 PM Cyril: good good
10:49 PM Cyril: You’ll be all day at nofound on saturday?! I’ll come in the afternoon i think, did you change your phone number?!
10:50 PM me: no, still 079XXXXXX
I think so
I’ll be doing portfolios in the morning
then something in the afternoon I guess
but free to look around
10:51 PM sounds like christian (pizzafellas) is coming too
Cyril: nice nice:)!
10:53 PM but maybe i’ll be there earlier don’t know yet, i’m supposed to see antoine but i’m sure it’s going to be very tricky for it to happen specially during a week end like paris photo…he told me to phone him when there, let’s see
planning on going to Offprint, le bal
10:57 PM me: heh, yes
I’d like to go to offprint and le bal
but depends on how I do in terms of time…
I arrive friday night and leave monday morning
[Here we stopped chatting via google chat. We exchanged some emails.]
Cyril: So did you get Antoine?! I’m glad you got to meet him!
Me: Hey, yes, but he already was in Marseille on his way to Asia! Just landed in the UK, on my way to the train station. Feeling quite tired even if I tried to sleep as long as I could!
Me: Hey Cyril!
How are things? Here really busy with work, a bit crazy! I was thinking if it would be ok to talk about The Pond in a Magnum professional practice workshop I’ve been invited to. I’m keen on talking about stuff we haven’t exhibited! smile emoticon
Cyril: Hey Joni! I’m good, been in Diego Suarez, Madagascar, for two months now, back to france in 2 weeks, 6 months work then back to Diego. Hard first month, didn’t feel like photographing, was more into living, experimenting the place, absorbing the atmosphere and darkness of it…
Cyril: Hé Joni, here is a little edit of my first trip to Diego, planning on doing another trip there but shorter to be in a different energy, probably 3 weeks, then will start working on a dummy…then maybe a third trip and that’s it…
Cyril: Happy birthday man! What’s up with you, are you done with photography?!
Me: I think so! I’ve barely picked up a camera over the last year
Cyril: Crazy how you lost the passion! Missing Joni the photographer:(! I have a book planned with Akina Books, i’ll keep you posted if you’re interested!
6 April 2016 19:17
Me: Hey Cyril!
any more books on the works after Grand circle?
I was going to order it last year around this time but I somehow forgot, just put an order out for it
completely disconnected from photography
Cyril: hé Joni so cool to get news from you
Me: yeah, it’s weird